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| images of victims line the walls of the entrance court of the Terror House |
Less than a stone's throw from our Budapest apartment, and clearly visible from our drawing room windows, is Andrássy u. 60. Now the home of the Terror House, one of the very best, in our view, of contemporary museums, this formidable building was, until comparatively recently, the headquarters of the Secret Police. Indeed, in the past it was not uncommon, we are told, for those passing by to cross the road rather than to risk the possibility of being noticed.
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| in sun the exterior of the Terror House reflects the word Terror on to the facade |
Today, within its walls, a terrible and frightening past is recorded and documented. And, understandably, any visitor, Hungarian or foreigner, is made acutely aware, through a series of highly imaginative and original presentations, of the enormous fear, cruelty and suffering to be found at the heart of any totalitarian regime. To spend time in the Terror House is, as may be readily imagined, a very moving, often disturbing, experience and the visitor leaves in pensive and reflective mood. But this is no bad thing for the freedoms which are enjoyed today by so many have, so often, been bought at a high price.
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| some of the equipment previously used to spy on display in the Terror House |
Which, rather strangely, brings us to the Sitemeter, that little green widget which all but conceals itself at the foot of the page of ours and many other blogs. Originally installed simply to record the number of visitors to the site, and to give an indication as to which country they come from, we now find, such are the wonders of modern technology together with a little 'investigation' from our IT friends, that it is possible to know so much more.
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| surveillance cameras at work in all directions day and night |
Our loyal friends and followers have nothing to fear. Others beware!
Scary place. I bet you'll need a glass or two of Tokaji after a visit there...
ReplyDeleteLa Sombra Sofisticada:
ReplyDeleteScary indeed! Some images we have of the dungeons, complete with instruments of torture, we felt it unwise to show.
I shall never again visit the Hattatt blog without ensuring that I am wearing a hat and several heirloom necklaces. What must you have thought of me popping in daily in my casual summer dresses, little realising that surveillance was in place.
ReplyDeleteShades of Big Brother? What an incredible post and I really like what they have done with building. All too often we do forget what the general popilous went through within the old Eastern Bloc. I cannot imagine everyday living in fear of being watched or recorded.
ReplyDeleteChilling! What is even more disturbing is that someplace like this exists/has existed in some form in most societies from time immortal. Power uses fear to control.
ReplyDeleteDifferent and interesting post.
That is so scary. Although I loved the images.
ReplyDeleteSadly there are so many places similar to this around the world. Me thinks some of us humans are not very nice people! I wonder why people can not live in peace. Diane
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely fascinating post I'm so intrigued as to what might be in there. Lots of food for thought here
ReplyDeleteHello Mise:
ReplyDeleteBut, as far as we can tell, you always do come sporting a hat! Whatever, you are always welcome for your wonderful wit no matter what you may or may not be wearing.
David Toms:
ReplyDeleteBig Brother indeed and, of course, all so recent. It is no wonder that people are still very suspicious of the motives of authority figures, particularly those in government.
Starting over..:
ReplyDeleteYou are so right about 'power using fear to control'. It is not necessarily what is actually in place that causes concern but the thought of what could be.
And yes, we agree, in some form or another people are being watched in their daily activities all over the world.
Ana Degenaar:
ReplyDeleteThank you but we fear that the images do not really do the Terror House justice. In reality it is both impressive and disturbing and most certainly well worth visiting should you ever be in Budapest.
Food, Fun and Life...:
ReplyDeleteWell, this is of course, one of Life's great mysteries. One cannot help but think that if all resources were pooled, poverty and disease could all but be eliminated......and yet, it just does not seem possible. As you say, why?
Caroline Lovis:
ReplyDeleteIn our opinion, this museum is world class in that an enormous amount of information is presented in interactive ways which really do involve the visitor. Impressive, certainly and it leaves an impression long after the visit is over.
Amazing post, Jane and Lance. Wherever we are in this world, there can have been happening, or there can be happening, another state of affairs that is terrifying or inhuman. I know little about Hungary, but I do know that the Hungarian government held out against Nazi domination as long as it was possible, one of the few examples of such resistance. And I know of a wonderful biography you must read: 'Honour and Duty: The Memoirs of Countess Ilona Edelsheim Gyulai' ( see: www.purplepagodapress.com )...she was the daughter-in-law of Miklos Horthy.
ReplyDeleteOne other thing is that my favourite Australian author, Gerald Murnane, has a personal fascination for Hungary, and has gone so far as to learn Hungarian, a language which, I believe, is very difficult to master. This may not seem so odd, except, despite being one of our least-read novelists ( he is too unlike anyone else ) he has been considered for the Nobel Prize for Literature.
Hey, I hope those camera thingies are not pointed towards Australia.
ReplyDeleteWow the exterior is foreboding enough....let alone the guts it must take to walk in and take it all in. I know its presence is not without controversy but it nevertheless is a reminder of things in Hungary's past and likely events that shaped its future. I am sure you have to really psych into going there, as it must be incredibly moving and emotional to think about what occured there.
ReplyDeleteOne of my overriding thoughts, is that at any time, day or night, someone somewhere is being brutally tortured. Those of us that have always lived in freedom should cherish the fact. Chilling tale!
ReplyDeleteGardener in the Distance:
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for this very detailed comment and for providing so many interesting references which we shall certainly look up. Horthy, of course, is remembered here as the Admiral without a Navy ruling the Kingdom without a King!
Hungarian certainly is a difficult language to learn as we know only too well. However, we do now have a working knowledge of it which helps enormously in our day to day lives.
We were fascinated with what you had to say about Gerald Murnane.
It has been possible to 'know so much more' from the inception of our networked technologies. Widgets are only concealed in plan sight.
ReplyDeleteNevertheless, in the name of reaching out, however imperfectly, we tread where even angels fear to tread.
I'll volunteer information which is taken from me in any event, in exchange for the opportunity to make a hundred new friends.
Long live the human spirit.
Andrew:
ReplyDeleteThe world is a small place, Andrew. Be afraid, be very afraid!
It is indeed terrifying to confront the lengths that some people will go to retain control over others. I think that museum would give me nightmares, though it's probably a good thing it's there as a reminder.
ReplyDeleteI love my sitemeter!! It makes me feel so connected with people I don't even know.
The Enchanted Home:
ReplyDeleteYes, we think that it is a tribute to the courage of those responsible for the museum's foundation that the Terror House exists. Often, the past has many distressing secrets but to show them publicly is at least a step towards preventing such things happening again.
Glad to know I'm safe! LOL
ReplyDeleteThe building is very beautiful, and every one has some secrets. I imagine the experience of visiting such a place must be deeply moving and a very serious experience. I guess every country has its dark secrets. But Hungary is a wonderful country with amazing people. :)
Hugs to you both,
As disturbing as these museums are we must continue to revisit the past so as not to repeat. Now I have to go check out that sitemeter.
ReplyDeleteCro Magnon:
ReplyDeleteSadly, we think that these thoughts may be true. As you say, we must not take for granted the freedoms we enjoy.
Une Femme:
ReplyDeleteWe chose, quite deliberately, to not show images of the torture cells which exist [and are now shown]in the basement of the Terror House. They are too awful.
We know exactly what you mean about the sense of connection which the sitemeter brings. Although, we must confess that at times we have to consult an atlas to know exactly where in the world we are connecting to!
Suze:
ReplyDeleteOh, what a marvellous philosophy of Life you have! As you say, to reach out and fail is still better than never reaching out at all since there are so many wonderful people and places to connect with.
We are certainly the richer for making a connection with you. Long live your creative spirit!
I look forward to our interactions, every day.
ReplyDeleteLove and blessings on both your heads.
Kasia:
ReplyDeleteHungary is indeed a wonderful country with marvellous people. We feel proud that they have erected such a stark monument to the past in the heart of the capital, Budapest.
As a most cherished Follower, you are indeed safe.....at least, the last time we looked you were!!!
Bonnie:
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely!
We do hope that you are paying particular attention to those 'unknowns' on the sitemeter. One cannot be too careful!
Suze [again]:
ReplyDeleteWe do too!
Although in reality far apart, we always feel close to you.
Chilling--and if I get that feeling from a few pictures I can only imagine what it's like in person. I am interested in your comments about how original and imaginative the presentations are. I wonder if the curators were original thinkers, but also if the subject matter inspired them to do something outside the box (so to speak). Anyway, I am glad they didn't play it safe, though the experience sounds both harrowing and moving.
ReplyDeleteJen of Country Weekend:
ReplyDeleteWe have to say that the Terror House is very different in its presentation from almost every other museum in Budapest [of which there are many] which are generally rather old-fashioned in the way in which they are curated.
We do not know anything about the curators of the Terror House museum but feel that perhaps such a bold project stimulated an entirely new approach.
It's hard to believe that human beings can inflict so much cruelty on others, so this museum is a "must" to remind us.
ReplyDeleteWith regard to the design of the building, I sat in wonder at the cleverness of the design that allowed the word "terror" to be cast on it.
What an interesting visit that would be. None of us are of course free.. some of us are just a little bit freer than others.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion the scariest part is that all of this isn't "ancient" history... it happened in our lifetime and indeed still happens in some corners of the world.
Menopausalmusing:
ReplyDeleteWe agree totally that there need to be reminders for lessons just do not seem ever to be learned.
The design of the 'TERROR' motif is incredibly clever. As the sun moves round so the shadow is cast on different facades of the building or the words are clearly visible against the sky. Whatever the weather or the season, the word never disappears!
Craig:
ReplyDeleteFreedom is indeed relative and we must cherish such freedoms as we have, we believe.
That is such a good point that you make about the fact that these 'terrors' are all so very recent. As you say, in our lifetimes, and so even more poignant.
Oh THANK YOU! I have gone back several times to look at the photo and the ingenious design........
ReplyDeleteTerror House seems to be all that the name implies. Its history as the headquarters of the Secret Police adds to the terror, the energy of its horrors still present, I imagine.
ReplyDeleteYour post is a wonderful reminder of the importance of understanding this past as that we can appreciate the freedom we enjoy today. Indeed, let's not take it for granted!
We all know that the age of Big Brother is here and our goings on are not a secret any longer. Facebook has roped everyone into that one. Visiting such museums is important for our collective memories.....we must remember these things!....before the next generations foolishly devote ALL of their time to Facebook and their brains turn to mush....I remember visiting the Vietnam memorial museum in Honolulu....it shook me up and I have never forgotten it. The museum you describe here sounds awful...and unforgettable....
ReplyDeleteMenopausalmusing [again]:
ReplyDelete.....and do you think that you came unnoticed?.....
And, thank you too for your interest.
How fascinating and yet terrifying. I don't think I would have lasted very long under a regime like that.
ReplyDeleteMarion Williams-Bennett:
ReplyDeleteEverything about the Terror House so cleverly recreates the fear that ordinary people felt about the place. As you say, the very name and also the colour, a battleship grey, and the sombre music which greets one at the entrance. It is a museum which invokes all the senses and emotions without needing to resort to blatantly horrific images.
Mermaid Gallery:
ReplyDeletePerhaps it is rather melodramatic of us, but we do wonder what negative purposes Facebook unwittingly supports throughout the world.
It seems to be an unfortunate aspect of human nature that what can begin as an innocent and even positive force for good can, in the wrong hands, be twisted into malevolent actions.
Bourbon and Pearls:
ReplyDeleteIndeed,which of us would.
All so very terrifying but one can only admire the tenacity of the human spirit to endure.
It sounds very powerful and I shall be sure to include it on my itinerary should I ever be lucky enough to find the time or the funds to visit Budapest.
ReplyDeleteMarie:
ReplyDeleteIt is indeed a most powerful and moving experience. Almost something that by itself makes a visit to Budapest worthwhile.
history is all we have. its very important not to forget the past. so we go into a safer future. not to have all this again.... i would visit this museum. i would feel bad but i would definitely visit it.
ReplyDeleteDemie:
ReplyDeleteHow we love your phrase 'history is all we have' and how true. If only nations could learn from it.
And yes, although not an easy experience, visiting the museum does make one better informed and grateful of peace in one's lifetime.
Thank you for such an informative post. Museums like these are a great reminder to those of us who have never experienced life under such a regime that personal rights and freedoms are not to be taken for granted.
ReplyDeleteLouise:
ReplyDeleteIt is, of course, very difficult to walk in the shoes of those who have lived with such terror. But, as you say, museums such as this are to be applauded and supported for helping us to appreciate what freedoms we enjoy today.
It is important to remember the past and respect how it has shaped the present, for what we do today will also shape the future.
ReplyDeleteI love history and museums. If I am ever in Budapest, and chances are good that I one day will visit there, I will visit this museum.
Now, about that tracking information... :P
xoxo:
ReplyDeleteOh how right you are that 'what we do today will also shape the future' and yet it seems so difficult to shape the future for the better.
We do so hope that one day you will visit Budapest and although we can[and would] provide a long list of must-sees, the Terror House would always be at the top.
Wow... we didn't see this museum while we were in Budapest. The idea of that metal awning reflecting 'terror' on to the facade is genius... wish I had seen this building.
ReplyDeleteJWC:
ReplyDeleteNow this is a very good reason to return!
Do let us know next time when you will be in Budapest because we can direct you to all manner of goodly things and places.
I read this earlier and was then distracted by looking at your Sitemeter. Sure enough there I was, little old me, my city and everything!
ReplyDeleteWhat a fascinating post. We do need to remember that our freedoms are precious.
DaniBP:
ReplyDeletePlease be our guest and incorporate the sitemeter widget onto your own blog. Just think of the fun you will have watching your visitors fly in from all points North, South, East and West!
Wow, that is a scary place! Your blog is totally awesome. xo,
ReplyDeleteBarbara F:
ReplyDeleteBelieve us when we say that the interior is quite frightening, even more so when one realises that it all happened so very recently.
We are delighted to see that you have signed up as a Follower and look forward to continuing or dialogue through future posts.
Ooh er, scarey green widget! Jane and Lance, what a great post, and a very interesting place to visit. I love what the clever design people have done with the roof of the building. We need never to forget, what happens when people become power crazy, and not answerable to anyone, and somehow superior to others.I am generally an optimistic person, who believes that good will prevail and that people are mostly good and kind, but sadly, there is a lot of evil in this world and to deny it, is just naiive. Gosh I've gone off on one there! On a lighter note, I did laugh so much at the tart comment on my blog, so very funny and so far from the truth. I taught myself how to make jelly from a book. If ever you venture to Ireland, there will be a few jars with your name on it!Thanks for the encouragement, much love Linda x
ReplyDeleteFlowers on my table:
ReplyDeleteYes, Linda, we are watching you!
The design of the Terror House both inside and out is really quite remarkable. In our opinion, the very best use is made of video, sound and interactive installations as well as the highest quality of presentation of artefacts. Excellence in every respect.
We are pleased that you were amused by the comment. We are so in awe of anyone who can make anything in the culinary field. We are hopeless!
What an interesting and thought-provoking post, a reminder that freedom is something we should cherish and protect and never take for granted. What a bold and imaginative building.
ReplyDeleteYour posts always give me something to think about and investigate further, and the comments are just as interesting and rewarding. Thank you!
Hello Jane and Lance
ReplyDeleteIt is rather worrying to be reminded of the level of paranoia that existed in the old east block regimes and the lengths that they would go to, in attempting to control their populations.
On the other hand, it is a good thing that we are all reminded, because we must defend the freedom we currently enjoy: we have no garantee that it will last forever.
I would be in favour of making Orwell's Animal Farm compulsary reading for every newly elected politician. I re-read it myself a couple of years ago and its message is enough to strike terror.
Anna
An intriguing post Jane and Lance. I wonder what George Orwell would have made of it?
ReplyDeleteWhich dovetails into your comments about the widget, very sinister.
Thank you for a very thought provoking post.
By the way, your little widget didn't catch me - unless I have been classified as other or unknown.
ReplyDeleteAnna
Judith:
ReplyDeleteThank you for the compliment, Judith. We feel that we have so many stories to tell and certainly life in Eastern Europe is never dull.
There is so much wonderful architecture in Budapest modern, Bauhaus, Baroque, Art Deco, Mediaeval and the list goes on....!
Anna at the Doll House:
ReplyDeleteWe agree entirely with what you say about 'Animal Farm' and, like you, find it somewhat of a chilling tale. Strangely, and rather alarmingly, certain parallels could be drawn with what is happening politically in Hungary today.
Anna at the Doll House [again]:
ReplyDeleteOh yes, the widget! Did you not realise that there is a time delay?
It is not every day that we have a visitor from Herre in Telemark.....and this is only scratching the surface!!!
Andy:
ReplyDeleteHow strange that you too should be thinking of Orwell too. History does have an uncanny knack of repeating itself. The pigs may not yet here be walking on two feet, but it cannot be too far off.
Thank God I haven't any idea of that time but, please God, let us never forget!
ReplyDeleteThistle Cove Farm:
ReplyDeleteIt is only when one comes into contact, as we do from time to time, with people who lived through all of this that one realises the full horror of it all.
this position games me thinking a lot.. well..
ReplyDeletepeace!
:)
I distinctly remember the Terror Haza during my short trip to Budapest last year. I have to admit that it was one of the most awesome, terrifying and thought-provoking museum experiences I've ever had...but in the best was possible. I have yet to visit another museum that is quite as perfectly stylized as it. Thank you for sharing and reminding me of one of my favorite parts of my trip last year!
ReplyDeleteAkissfromthepast:
ReplyDeleteHowever many times we visit the museum, we always come away with somethingnew to think about. We are sure that you would find it most interesting to visit.
Good evening Jane and Lance
ReplyDeleteI did not view the parquet floor in the Terror House, with quite the same enthusiasm as the one laid in your bathroom! It certainly set my mind thinking about the people who walked on those floors. And although you have not shown the instruments of torture, I can imagine them in my head.
I often watch the history channel, but find reading your blog just as fascinating.
Thank you for taking the time to visit my own blog. You always leave such generous comments, and I am most grateful to you both for doing so. Abby
Margaret M:
ReplyDeleteWe are so pleased to learn that you have visited Budapest and that during your time here you were able to see the Terror House. We agree with all that you say. It is one place which we encourage all our visitors to experience.
My Spotty Pony:
ReplyDeleteSo much of what is shown in the Terror House is so very harrowing, particularly the rooms of interrogation and those which deal with the deportation and execution of the Jews.
We are always delighted to visit your blog and really enjoy the wide range of topics which you cover. But, sadly, we have not heard very much about the real Spotty Pony recently!
These kinds of museums are so important, I think, but I find it almost impossible to get myself to set foot inside. The Terror Museum looks especially powerful.
ReplyDeleteMitch Block:
ReplyDeleteYes, we do know what you mean. It is a powerful experience but one that is more moving than terrifying. It certainly makes one reflect upon a whole host of things that one might otherwise take for granted.
Goodness it fills me with the chills i have to say. It is so sad what went on and is actually still going on sadly in the some parts of the world. Thank you for all your lovely comments on my posts, dee x
ReplyDeleteTruly sad how cruel the human race can be to others of their own kind yet.... truly remarkable, even more so, how the light of the spirit of those oppressed cannot be extinguished!
ReplyDelete"The design of the 'TERROR' motif is incredibly clever. As the sun moves round so the shadow is cast on different facades of the building or the words are clearly visible against the sky. Whatever the weather or the season, the word never disappears! "
ReplyDeleteThis alone is so powerful. Even the word terror is so evocative. As if you can feel it just hearing or seeing the word. Terror is such a leap from fear - so much more immediate. Very frightening - but so interesting to hear about the museum.
Sometimes I feel that even our democracy has become totalitarian over here, going backward instead of forward - many small tortures every day - budget cuts to education, the elderly, the disabled, women's health, and increased torture to the environment. And those of us that care just have to watch it happen. Does not really feel like a free country and can lead to terror thoughts unless one remains resolutely optimistic that this too shall pass.
I have no words today to express what I feel about the Terror House...it never ceases to amaze me (and not in a good way) the willingness of one human to inflict pain and suffering on another. May we never forget.
ReplyDeleteGood Evening Jane and Lance
ReplyDeleteMy heart is pounding as I read about the Terror Museum. This was a nightmare. Has the building been renovated since the Secret held office. You said to spend time at the Terror House is a moving, disturbing experience and leaves one in a pensive and reflective mood. I can relate to this experience having visited the Holocaust Museum in St. Petersburg Florida. When we left the Museum neither of us spoke for what seemed like fifteen minutes. There was so much to process.
Thanks for an enlightening and interesting post.
In future I must do as Mise does and get suitably dressed for the magic eye at the foot of your blog.
I must look into that pardon the pun
Helen
Hello again Jane and Lance
ReplyDeleteCan you explain what the mosaic of pictures on the exterior of the building represent (first picture)
Helen
Delia Hornbook:
ReplyDeleteWhat we find so very terrifying about it all is that it is such recent history. Even today the police can behave in a way which, in the UK, would be totally unacceptable. Thank you for your comment. It is much appreciated.
The Shade Shop, Inc:
ReplyDeleteYour point about the 'light of the oppressed' never being extinguished is so very, very true. All too often one learns of the enormous courage and fortitude of the individual in the face of great trial and adversity. The human spirit in some is so strong, something for whch we should all be grateful.
TCFO:
ReplyDeleteYes, as you say, the design, matched with the colour of the building itself, is clever, effective and powerful. It has been a very brave step, we feel, of the authorities here to open up the past in such a bold and uncompromising way.
We understand all that you say about the fragility of democracy and are concerned in these times both for Hungary, and so much of Europe, where there is a shift of power to the extreme right. We live in uncertain times.
Sissysmom:
ReplyDeleteIndeed, what you write is so true. We must never forget. And that, we feel, is why Armistice Day in the UK and Memorial Day in the USA, and these are simply just two examples, are so important to a nation's psyche. Your comment, as always, is greatly appreciated.
Helen Tilston:
ReplyDeleteGood morning (!!),Helen. Yes, when the museum was formed, the entire building was renovated specifically for the purpose. However, things such as the torture chambers and prisoners' cells in the basement remain as they were. We felt that they were too dreadful to publish pictures of and, in some ways, to do so would be an intrusion into the lives, and deaths, of those who were kept there.
We were most interested to hear of your experiences at the Holocaust Museum in St. Petersburg, Florida which, we imagine, is not so very different from the Terror Museum. We have always felt that we should have great difficulty in visiting the sites of the concentration camps in Germany and Poland.
Your visits, as we said to Mise, are always more than welcome. Do not worry that we know the time, the date, the place, the computer, the name, the address.....!!
Helen Tilston [again]:
ReplyDeleteThe mosaic of pictures is, in fact, made up of photographs of all those known to have been sentenced to death, or simply to have 'disappeared', during the years during which number 60 Andrássy was the headquarters of the Secret Police. They run into thousands.
Sorry to be so pedantic - but I am not a Herre in Telemark: not a man and am far away from Telemark.
ReplyDeleteAnna
Anna at the Doll House [again]:
ReplyDeleteJust occasionally our spies get it wrong! Blame it on technology. We do, we will!!
Let's say interesting post ..
ReplyDeleteHave a happy midweek, Jane x
Having lived in Athens at the time of the military coup and having seen atrocities through young eyes, I can identify with this post. Extremsim and fanaticism unfortunately lead to terrible and inhuman acts.
ReplyDeleteTo have all this preserved in a museum is both chilling and admirable. So that the younger generation may forgive but not forget.
Nicholas V:
ReplyDeleteWhat a frightening and unsettling experience for you as a young man. We can imagine how clearly you identify with all that the Terror House stands for.
And, we agree entirely that it is both brave if also uncomfortable for such 'terrors' to be placed under public scrutiny. But yes, so important that it has been done.
Not a comfortable or pleasant theme for a museum,but a very important one nonetheless. These dreadful things must be remembered and reflected on, in the hope we can somehow manage not to repeat them in the future.
ReplyDeletePerpetua:
ReplyDeleteYes, we completely agree with what you say here.
Perhaps it is the quality of great museums that we reflect upon what we have seen and experienced for a long time after the visit is complete. This has certainly been the case for us with the Terror House.
I am late as usual but wanted to thank you both for this important post. It made me remember visiting Tuol Sleng in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. It is a former school, the S21, that later became the coountry's largest detention center and torture site under the Khmer Rouge. It is horrifying but important to see, to remember the price of freedom.
ReplyDeleteSending my best to you from Provence,
Heather
Do I win a prize for being the 100 comment maker?
ReplyDeleteLost in Provence:
ReplyDeleteWe have no train to catch [until we book for Zurich!] so time is not of the essence and you are welcome at any hour of the day or night.
Tuol Sleng in Cambodia sounds too horrific to contemplate, somehow even more poignant as on the site of a former school. As you say, important, so very important to know the price of freedom.
We do hope that you are enjoying your week without too much stress of the move.
Cro Magnon [again]:
ReplyDeleteIn our book, you take a prize every day by being one of our favourite blogs.
Saskia:
ReplyDeleteLet's say, there are none so 'blind' as those who do not see.
Or, put another way, a new day, a new name.
Clever this modern technology!
Dear Jane & Lance,
ReplyDeleteYou frightened me a bit there. Fortunately I have nothing to hide ;-)! Otherwise I would definitely not have started blogging.
This House of Terror sounds interesting, but I am not sure if I would visit it when in Budapest. I think I would prefer an art exhibition or museum on a rainy day. I am interested in museums about the 2nd and 1st WW, but somehow this doesn't feel good.
Thank you for your advice on the roses. I will just wait one more year and see what happens. Perhaps I will work some sand and lime through the soil, it might give it a bit more air and change the acid level.
Have a lovely evening.
Madelief
I'm with TCFO and menopausalmusings (in more ways than one!) on this - it's the word 'Terror' that really hits me. It's an amazing place; chilling and fascinating and, as Perpetua said, a very brave creation.
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Madelief:
ReplyDeleteWe had not the least intention to frighten. Yes, as you say, blogging reveals all....well, nearly!
We totally understand your reservations about the Terror House. And, there areplenty of excellent galleries, museums, theatres and music halls waiting to entrance you. Perhaps, in the end, it is the fact that the building is there, prominent on the main Andrassy street, open for all to see that is the main triumph.
We do so hope that your Roses may revive. Sometimes it is very difficult to know quite what to do and even doing nothing can produce a good result!!
Annie:
ReplyDeleteYes, the whole building is very impressive indeed and just cannot be passed by unnoticed. That, for us, is most probably its greatest strength.
The post title is also that of a Fay Weldon short story, which evokes a very personal kind of terror.
ReplyDeleteThank you for a most interesting post.
Take notice. Yes, the most important thing indeed. Terror House - what an appropriate, what an ugly name.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately this sort of thing is still going on in places around the world that value power above all. Sad and frightening.
Should I wave at the widget? :)
It's unbelievable how quickly the world changes. What was considered fantastical in the past might used every day now. If I recall what my grandparents had gone through, it feels like it was in the Middle Ages.
ReplyDeleteChris J:
ReplyDeleteWe had no idea about the Fay Weldon novel. We must confess that our 'inspiration' for the post title came from a rewording of the old Abba song 'Knowing me, knowing you'!!!
And, now, of course, we are very curious to know what her novel is about. We shall investigate further.
Yvette:
ReplyDeleteYes, an ugly name which pulls no punches. We rather like that. And yes, it is a sad reflection on the C21 that such atrocities are still going on.
It would be so nice to see your wave on camera and we, of course, shall blow a kiss and wave back when you do!!
Olga:
ReplyDeleteYou are so right. So much of C21 living seems light years ahead of only the recent past.
However, we have only to go into the Hungarian countryside to see that for many people their ways of life are not so very different from how they were 100 years ago. A big exception is that nearly everyone seems to have a mobile phone.
Wonder who cam up with the whole concept! I imagine it is quite an eye opener.
ReplyDeleteGlad I am a friend:)
Kristin H:
ReplyDeleteSadly, we do not know who is responsible, but now feel that we should make an effort to find out. It has, as you may imagine, caused enormous controversy since its opening.
Welcome, friend, welcome!!
Thank you for sharing your visit with us. Images like those remind me of my childhood and the "dark years" in Nicaragua. My parents' country is still politically and economically troubled, but at least one no longer lives in fear of being turned in, "disappeared", or having to flee, as it was the case with so many neighbors, relatives, friends, colleagues, citizens...
ReplyDeleteDear Polia:
ReplyDeleteYour comment is an important reminder that there are still so many people who live in troubled situations where just the act of daily living is problematic.
You obviously write from experience and it makes us very grateful and lucky not to have lived under such circumstances.
As a student, hitch-hiking across Europe, I went to Auschwitz - unbelivably horrible. But museums like the Terror museum (love the stencil effect / so clever)are so important - to bring us all to account.
ReplyDeleteVintage Tea Time:
ReplyDeleteWe do so agree.
We have always thought that to visit the concentration camps would just be too awful. And so we never have but are reassured that they are there in order that we shall not forget.
Good Evening Jane and Lance,
ReplyDeleteMy life is far removed from anything that reminds me that the life we have now has been bought at a terrible price paid by others and it is good to be reminded, though I don't think I can begin to comprehend what it must have been like to spend time in there. It is an incredible building and with the terror shadow it just oozes menace.
To reflect on it certainly puts petty grumbles into perspective.
Is that a little nightcap you are enjoying there? Technology works both ways you know!
Bluebell:
ReplyDeleteNone of us who has the great fortune to not have any first hand experience of these horrors can really imagine what life was like under such Totalitarian regimes where fear reigned supreme.
As you say, the building itself is incredibly imposing and impossible to overlook directly on one of the city's main thoroughfares. It is a stark reminder indeed.
We raised our cups of cocoa to you, dear Carol, as you signed out!
It would take many deep breaths before entering the museum for me...but my discomfort would be nothing compared to what was suffered by so many there...it would be but a trifle and a way to honor their memory. The horrors of history do need revisiting often lest we forget and become once again entangled in such terrors.
ReplyDeleteMoving post...
xo J~
What a terribly imposing building - mission accomplished when it comes to raising fear in the hearts of people. I should never want to go inside. Freedom definitely comes at a high price doesn't it? I am so grateful for my "easy" life when you put things into perspactive.
ReplyDeleteI have never noticed that widget before. It really is true about having "Big Brother" watching us. A little daunting to consider that we are being watched much more than we would probably like to be.
I loved reading this, Stephie x
24 Corners:
ReplyDeleteWe think, Jessica, that you are by no means alone in having misgivings about visiting such a museum. As we have said to Vintage Teatime[above], we have never been able to visit the concentration camps of Germany and Poland. But, as you say, all of these places serve as a memorial to those who have suffered so dreadfully and through them their memory lives on.
Stephie B:
ReplyDeleteThere is one room in the Terror House which, through the most incredible archive film and some carefully selected artefacts, shows the ways in which so many of the population were involved in spying on family, friends and neighbours. Such was the power of the state. Terrifying!
And, yes, we do live in times when it would appear we are being watched almost the entire day through. But our little green widget is not, we assure you, targeted at you.
Good morning Hattat's! I am reeling with excitement that you might come to Ireland! As for the offer to guide me around the coffee houses of Budapest, nothing could thrill me more. I have a sneaking feeling that you know a thing or two about coffee houses. Many thanks for your comments, you have really made my day! I hope that you are both feeling well and enjoying that lovely weather I keep hearing about. Lots of love to you, Linda x
ReplyDeletefascinating and horrifying.....but lest we forget as the world is so quick to do, sweeping the past under the carpet of Starbucks and Gaps....I remember that film about the Stasi, 'The Lives Of Others', so frightening and so recent....
ReplyDeleteFlowers on my table:
ReplyDeleteHow lovely all of this will be. And one day it will be. And what fun we shall have!
Today is warming up to over 30C and we are told by Tímea that the butcher says that in a month's time the daytime temperature will be 40C+. Perhaps as well as selling meat, he is also a part time weather man!!
Young at Heart:
ReplyDeleteYour comment is so pertinent. Yes, that is exactly what is happening and what, very alarmingly [if we are ever to learn from the past], continues to be the case.
We have not seen the film 'The Lives of Others' and will now certainly seek it out, most likely on DVD. Thank you.
I loved this post. I would be proud but also a bit 'spooked' living so close to this place. Hard not to think about it when it's right there, but I guess that's the point.
ReplyDeleteSue:
ReplyDeleteThank you.
Yes, we can understand your reservations but we do not find it so. Indeed, on the occasions of particular days of remembrance, when the outside of the building is lined with hundreds of tiny candles and small sprays of flowers, we find it all very reassuring.
Yes, this reminded me of the German film, "The Lives of Others," as well. I think you'd really appreciate it: artists who are under surveillance and the devastating consequences.
ReplyDeleteI have to say, those sitemeters kind of creep me out, as they say. a bit of Big Brother is watching, only we are watching each other. I don't know....
Teresa Evangeline:
ReplyDeleteWe have thought about this long and hard since Young at Heart's comment and now think, confirmed by your mentioning the artists, that we have in fact seen this film but could not recall the title.
If it is the one we are thinking of, the artist's house is watched from a house on the opposite side of the street. And, at the end, the man who is spying sees the artists as sympathetic people and does not wish to inform on them. Ultimately, he is shown purchasing a book written by the husband. Perhaps this is the film?!
What a clever butcher! I hope it doesn't get so hot! I do believe we would have fun, here's wishing. I woulkd like to know, just how you do it! You reply to everyone on your own blog and then on theirs. Not only that, your comments are so well thought out. I know,you have 2 computers and you are both constantly on them, or, its that green widget thingy, doing some kind of magic! Whatever it is, I think you are amazing. Love Linda x
ReplyDeleteFlowers on my table [again]:
ReplyDeleteWe can let you into a secret, Linda....although you must not tell a soul......really, you must keep it all to yourself.....no telling anyone, not even your nearest and dearest......
The green widget makes tea, writes comments, replies, follows and posts. And, as you are so special to us, Linda, we shall give you the address!!
Hi there, You have got interesting pictures and write ups. Have a great day, cheers, sonia !
ReplyDeleteSonia:
ReplyDeleteWelcome, and thank you for your comment. Your own blog is, we imagine, a must for all lovers of food, which we are, and cooks, which we are not!
Enjoy your day too.
Yes, that is it. He has an epiphany, of sorts, after the death of one of the women who runs into the street.
ReplyDeleteTeresa Evangeline [again]:
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for taking the time and trouble to return.
It is so good to know that after racking our brains we finally managed to place the film with your help. Now we think we shall hire it and watch it again!
A very interesting and sobering post - it must be rather sombre living in the shadow of that building, thoughts of what went on inside never far from your minds as you pass.
ReplyDeleteBut at the same time it must make you feel very grateful to live how you do today.
We are so fortunate, whereas others elsewhere, even now, still suffer.
Your last words left me with a slight chill down my spine.....Big Brother, shades of George Orwell....
Thankyou for your wonderful comments on my last couple of posts - its such a pleasure when you visit!
Gill xx
Gillyflower:
ReplyDeleteYes, the building is a stark reminder of a troubled past but in a strange way we see its presence as a force for good rather than a morbid memory. As you say, so many atrocities are still occuring in the world today, but how many are still hidden from public view and scrutiny?
We very much enjoy our visits to your blog which is always so very varied and we admire your creative skills very much.
One thing I find astounding is the occasional comments I encounter that seem to reflect a Cold War nostalgia. I know there have been problems for many people in Eastern Europe since the Cold War ended, but anyone who suggests that life may have been better before 1989 should pay a visit to this museum I think.
ReplyDeleteWow! That certainly looks like a place worth visiting. I have never been to Budapest, but you have definitely put it on my bucket list.
ReplyDeleteHow come you ended up living there out of interest?
P.M.Doolan:
ReplyDeleteThis is such a good point.
Remarkably, in conversation with many elderly Hungarians, there is a strong desire to return to the Hungary of the Kadar years. Of course, they remember full employment[not to have a job was a crime!],cheap food, free gas and electricity. And, even when one extols the virtues of freedom to travel, the response is that now they cannot afford to travel.
Nevertheless, we agree with you that the Terror House is performing an essential public service for anyone seriously thinking that the Cold War was a'Golden Age'.
Annie(Lady M):
ReplyDeleteYes, we are sure that you would find many places in Budapest interesting. And, so many clever Hungarian inventors and scientists to fascinate the 'geek' in you!
A long story of friends in high places that may be revealed one day....
Isn't it terrible!
ReplyDeleteDear Jane and Lance, I'm always blown away by your posts, you are such generous bloggers and great story tellers..what a terribly sad chapter in our history indeed...one to reflect upon...I'd imagine that the feelings one might experience when visiting such a museum will be indeed mixed...the images of the victims at the entrance make my heart bleed...
ReplyDeleteClaudia xo
Pet:
ReplyDeleteYes,it is indeed terrible. Terrible for us as onlookers, unspeakable for those who, until so recently, experienced it.
Claudia Lane:
ReplyDeleteThank you for such a very generous comment.
A visit to the Terror House is, as you may so easily imagine, something of a sobering experience. We have yet to meet someone who has not been moved by it all in some way. And that, perhaps, is reason enough for its very being.
How imposing to see the word terror along the facade of the building. It certainly looks like an interesting museum though and I second what Young at Heart said, 'The Lives of Others' is a great film - you should definitely make time to watch it when you can.
ReplyDeleteThe Terror House is chilling all those people who went in, never to be seen or heard from again I bet you can almost sense the ghosts in the museum.
ReplyDeleteFrightening how much information we give away without knowing on our internet wanderings!
XXX
PolkaDot Lighthouse:
ReplyDeleteThere is, even now, a rather terrifying aspect to the building but it does serve as a permanent reminder of what has been and what must never be permitted to happen again.
Yes, the film, which we now realise we have seen [see two comments from Teresa Evangeline and our replies above]. But thank you.
Dash:
ReplyDeleteYes, particularly in the basement, there one has a very strong sense of the evil committed and the atrocities perpetrated. Beyond understanding.
And, as you say, what a trail is left behind by anyone using a computer even when, as can be the case, a great attempt is made to hide, even falsify, an identity. It is extraordinary what links and connections may be made with a little technological know how.
I knew it! I need to get me one of those green widgets! Have a lovely evening, love Linda x
ReplyDeleteFlowers on my table [again}:
ReplyDeleteLinda, why not get the 'lavender jelly' making version in order to save turning all the furniture upside down!
Nearly bedtime here. Good night.
I'd say that the most popular Feedjit widget looks more intrusive than the apparently innocent Sitemeter... :D
ReplyDeleteAnyway, your post reminded me a summer day, when U.R.S.S. tanks went into Prague. I was a little child, and I didn't understand what was going on, but I still clearly remember how scared my parents were.
Luckily those times went by.
Dona:
ReplyDeleteAh, apparent innocence, that is the key....
The whole incident of the Russian tanks must have left a big impression on you as a small child if all these years later you can recall it with such clarity. One can only imagine the terror felt by those who were living with it on a daily basis.
Fascinating post, indeed. One is most grateful to not have lived under such a regime. It is most unfortunate, indeed, that such repressive governments still exist in so many places on this planet.
ReplyDeleteReggie Darling:
ReplyDeleteAs we look out of our windows today down into our street which, last night, was cleared of all cars and is now closed to traffic, and where barricades have been erected, we see police in large numbers assembling in riot gear in readiness for the Gay Pride march, scheduled to take place later this afternoon, having been reprieved from a ban only days ago, and we are left wondering how much has really changed?
Such a contrast to the Gay Pride march in Brighton which covers an entire weekend, is a very jolly occasion, and where the police, gay and straight, join in the fun!
Excellent post. We mustn't ever forget the crimes of Marxism and Communism.
ReplyDeleteSadly, though, Europe is still not free, presently under the rule of the globalist MultiKult.
And as conservative Islam gradually achieves a foothold in Europe, things will only get more interesting.
Laguna Beach Fogey:
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment which raises a number of very interesting points, and which in so doing projects towards a very uncertain future, especially here in Europe.
Our reply to Reggie Darling [see above] gives an intimation of how far some of the 'new' democracies have yet to travel. Today has been yet another shameful occasion.
Multikult globalist "democracy," so-called, of course, is not the answer. My good friends in Jobbik have more to say on this matter, so I won't steal their thunder. :)
ReplyDeleteLaguna Beach Fogey [again]:
ReplyDeleteWe think that you may be right [no pun intended].
We have our flaws in the UK but I'm grateful, and often take for granted, this country in which I feel fortunate to live.
ReplyDeleteBella Bheag:
ReplyDeleteInevitably, we do take our freedoms for granted and so it is good to have these reminders from time to time.
Your post reminds me of one of my favorite films about the secret service spying in East Berlin, "The Lives of Others".
ReplyDeleteHow fascinating it must be to live in a a post iron curtain country. Sometimes I fear that the US is becomming an invisible iron curtain country with all that the government knows about us through facebook, twitter, blogging and other internet related activities.
Belle de Ville:
ReplyDeleteSuch a wonderful, multi-layered film.'The Lives of Others' is a favourite of ours too.
It is, very interesting living in Budapest with so much of recent history still part of daily life. And yes, increasingly we feel, there are spies everywhere and a camera on every corner in England to record our every move.
I have seriously enjoyed your reading your posts! But I think you have may made a big mistake -- especially with so many followers and comments -- now everybody will want a Mad Boy and as there is such a shortage already, what will become of us all?
ReplyDeleteThe Broad:
ReplyDeleteThank you so much. That is both kind and generous of you and it is much appreciated.
Now, you do have a point which we had not previously considered. How foolish of us to have allowed our needs to be quite so widely known!! But, as we have just written on your most recent post, what you say has made us laugh a lot! And that has to be a good thing.
What a stark, evil, chilling building that is. I was not aware of it when I visited Budapest, or I would have "made" myself go in knowing how much it would disturb me.
ReplyDeleteSometimes, in spite of my faith, I feel pessimistic because although these type of places serve to remind of us of the evil man can inflict on others, and are a tribute to the human spirit, you wonder if the evil ones who perpetuate these crimes are not the ones who should visit. Do they visit i wonder? And would it make any difference to them if they did? Would they know how evil they are and feel remorse?
I feel so sad when I think there are many countries right now, out there, where these "terror houses" exist and are part of people's lives, and their daily fear of disappearing into one.
Sadly, you have to wonder if humankind will ever learn. This was a very thought provoking post.
Dolly:
ReplyDeleteYes, it is a chilling thought, but we do think that there are many 'terrror houses' across the world which still carry out their evil work.
We think that the Budapest 'Terror House' is a brave statement as well as a most interesting and thoughtfully designed museum. It is a most disturbing experience but, in our view, is compulsory viewing for anyone wanting to understand life in the Eastern Bloc, both past and present.
I think that the loss of privacy is the precursor to government-sponsored "Terror". And I'm very worried at my fellow citizens' willingness to give up their privacy rights in trade for so-called 'security'. The museum IS a chilling place, but a needful reminder.
ReplyDeleteKim:
ReplyDeleteWe fear that you might well be right with what you say here. And yes, the concern for 'security' is, we feel, a reaction to something which may, in all likelihood, not exist but which becomes an erosion of personal freedom.